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THE WORST
THE WORST
The only worse person is perhaps Ben Roethlisberger (sp??). NOT EVEN FOR THAT DIFFERENT A REASON (hating women, being a douchebag)
I have been enjoying the Onion's run of Tebow-slamming headlines.
"Jesus Christ Claims Tim Tebow Not Ready To Be NFL Starter"
"Tim Tebow's Success Inspiring Other Teams To Start Shitty Quarterbacks"
"Tim Tebow Becomes First Bad Quarterback To Lead 4th Quarter Comeback"
his hard-core fans are obnoxious, and all the jesus stuff is annoying, and i don't agree with all his beliefs, but i have to admit that i find him inspiring. the dude has overcome all sorts of humiliating adversity. he works his ass off. he is constantly ridiculed yet he doesn't fire back. he turns rejection and failure into fuel and just keeps working harder.
now Ben Rothlesburger- he is a true ass-wipe rapist horrible person. but Tebow, while i don't share his beliefs, seems to hold true to them. i respect him the same way i respect people like Ron Paul: i don't agree with them but at least they are not hypocrites.
I also FUCKING LOATHE people who think JESUS ACTUAL CHRIST is taking a personal interest in them scoring some touchdown or winning a Grammy or whatever. ARE YOU SERIOUS TIM TEBOW?
it's his annoying fans who talk about JC helping with the touchdowns.
i actually met him briefly at a Nike thing that i was a camera-person for. of all the rich famous athletes that came through he was by far the most friendly and willing to look people in the eye and shake hands and engage people. of course there were lots of "god bless yous" but he wasn't passing out bibles or anything.
yes he is a self-righteous christian, which can be very annoying, but not a reason to hate/despise/loathe someone.
I feel like ending with a mean comment about Big Ben but don't want to feel bad in 10 years when he goes crazy and commits murder-suicide.
Seriously, fuck Tim Tebow. This dude lends his public image to advertisements demanding that we make abortion illegal, because of Jesus and because he knows what's best for women of all possible walks of life. What a nice guy! So nice that he's NOT A RAPIST LIKE BEN ROETHLISBERGER!
there's more than one way to be a misogynist motherfucker. Or like, Michael Vick gets in trouble and suspended and is morally censured for the rest of his life because his cousin owned fighting dogs, but Tim Tebow gets to have a huge stupid fan group and play in all the games even though he's a sucky quarterback who hates women. Like he's a "nice guy" just because he's not violently assaulting people or animals. If that's our only standard for being nice then count me out.
TIM TEBOW IF YOU ARE READING THIS I HATE YOUR GUTS
"Did I help him? Hell no! Terry's just that good" --God
Don't get me started on the weirdness (to me) of asking for AND RECEIVING PUBLICLY money in baskets? on trays? at the end of a church service. If you didn't grow up christian (and default we-didn't-go-to-church christian counts here too) this is REALLY weird and kind of gauche.
ANYHOO BACK TO TEBOW, currently bummed by checking his google alerts.
"On August 24, Vick filed plea documents with the federal court. He pleaded guilty to "Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture". He admitted to providing most of the financing for the operation and to participating directly in several dog fights in Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and South Carolina. He admitted to sharing in the proceeds from these dog fights. He further admitted that he knew his colleagues killed several dogs who did not perform well. He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning. The "victimization and killing of pit bulls" was considered as aggravating circumstances that led prosecutors to exceed the federal sentencing guidelines for the charge. He denied placing any side bets on the dogfights.[58]"
Not in anyway close to just his cousin owning fighting dogs. He admitted to participating, financing, and killing dogs.
VERY ILLEGAL and TERRIBLE.
Michael Vick has not been stopped from working, being very famous, being very rich, and a hero to those who choose him. He signed a $100 million dollar contract this year and has the 6th most popular jersey in the NFL. So, Michael Vick is doing okay.
Tim Tebow has opinions that I vehemently disagree and I think less of him for him expressing that, but free speech is not illegal, and of course people like him because a lot of people are anti abortion and like anyone who expresses that opinion.
I don't like Tim Tebow, but its in no way weird that he hasn't been suspended by the NFL like you are implying. There are no NFL policies against players making political or social statements. If he was suspended the ACLU would probably defend him.
The Tebow love is annoying but he is loathed nearly as much as he is loved so I think it works out fairly.
As of yet Tebow has yet to force his physical will on another living being (a la Vick and Roethlisberger)
What up with that?
I flew off half cocked again, as per.
Vick is obviously a huge turd.
I get all my sports info from Gary and it appears he fed me wrong information, or I misunderstood him (re: Vick's cousin).
I was trying to draw some comparison between the "forcing of ones values on someone physically" vs. "forcing of ones values on an entire demographic of people legislatively." But it didn't really work. But I still feel there is some parallel to be drawn.
Like just because he's advocating for laws (instead of directly committing violence) doesn't mean it's not still shitty sexist violence.
Like if someone were advocating for sharia law and women not being able to drive cars, we'd be like "that's really violent and hateful toward women," and this to me is basically the same concept. Still forcing, still violence, still being a huge dick.
I shouldn't have made the Vick comparison though, that was bullshit of me, especially since I didn't even know what I was talking about!!!!! CLASSIC YT
Turns out, he's an Eagles fan, so he might not be the most unbiased about Michael Vick.
But he is a dog lover. CONFUSING.
The beautiful thing about democracy is Tim Tebow's opinion has no impact on woman's bodies, which is why we have free speech. If Tebow could say that and it would have impact, then free speech wouldn't exist, in theory.
I agree that his opinion is shitty and sexist and theoretically violent. The more fucked up aspect is that he took action beyond speech and aligned himself and tried to raise money for an organization (Focus on the Family) to pass anti abortion legalization.
BUT what about how I think there should be a law that it's illegal to own firearms? If it were up to me I would take peoples' guns away. I understand that this issue isn't loaded with a gender dynamic, but gun owners/advocates would certainly say that this is an equally violent and shitty forcing of values on my part. I would say that I'm trying to stop violence (gun violence), and christians would argue that they are trying to stop violence (by ending abortion).
I think my values are correct and make more sense for humanity and so do they.
I'm thankful for my own ability to express my opinions about what people should and shouldn't be allowed to do, so I have to respect someone else's whose opinions are opposite of mines right to also do so.
I am comforted by a recent tweet by comedian Doug Benson: "Gay sex will exist forever, abortions will continue to happen, people will always smoke weed. Know what is going away, though? OLD PEOPLE"
Tim Tebow isn't an old person, but most of the people who share his social values are, and then Tim Tebow will be all alone.
For instance, gay kids in school who are constantly verbally harassed and bullied might not necessarily endure "physical" violence, but the opinions of bullies can have extremely harmful effects - so many of these kids end up at least contemplating suicide, if not going all the way.
So yeah, Tim Tebow can say whatever he wants about abortion/gay marriage/evolution/whatever, but I don't agree that words can't have physical ramifications on actual bodies. We are shaped by language, and hateful and harmful rhetoric *does* have impact on bodies.
Judith Butler probably explains this better than I ever could.
Regulative discourse!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Butler#Gender_Trouble:_Feminism_and_the_Subversion_of_Identity_.281990.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Bordo#Unbearable_Weight:_Feminism.2C_Western_Culture.2C_and_the_Body_.281993.29
ALSO: AUTOMATIC F FOR CITING WIKIPEDIA TWICE
Bullying is horrible on any level. I went to a Lutheran High School for a bit, and it was like being around a bunch of Tebows who all want to knock your books out of your hand because "QUEER". I wonder how much worse or better it would have been if myspace or facebook had been around then. I have no idea what it is like to be a high school student now.
Can we identify the point at which language becomes violent?
Just as a reference.
I was going to say that a rhetoric of "exclusion" is where language becomes violent. I read this pretty interesting book called "Exclusion and Embrace" in Christian college, and although I don't believe in God any more, I still kind of agree with the primary tenet:
"Increasingly we see that exclusion has become the primary sin, skewing our perceptions of reality and causing us to react out of fear and anger to all those who are not within our (ever-narrowing) circle. In light of this, Christians must learn that salvation comes, not only as we are reconciled to God, and not only as we "learn to live with one another," but as we take the dangerous and costly step of opening ourselves to the other, of enfolding him or her in the same embrace with which we have been enfolded by God. "
http://www.amazon.com/Exclusion-Embrace-Theological-Exploration-Reconciliation/dp/0687002826
Rather than acting in fear and anger and exclusion, we act in an "embrace of otherness".
I think I read this right after 9/11, and right in-between that period of finishing college and moving to Anacortes and becoming a heathen. Was pretty influential at that time for me.
"I know some people won't agree with it, but I think they can at least respect that I stand up for what I believe, and I'm never shy about that," Tebow said. "I don't feel like I'm very preachy about it, but I do stand up for what I believe. Unfortunately in today's society not many athletes tend to do that. So I'm just standing for something."
Pam Tebow contracted amoebic dysentery during her pregnancy with Tim in the Philippines in 1987. Doctors advised her to abort the pregnancy, but she refused and eventually gave birth to a healthy boy.
"I've always been every convicted of it (being anti-abortion), because that's the reason I'm here, because my mom was a very courageous woman," Tebow said. "So any way that I could help, I would do it."
In this video Timmy's being interviewed in a church in Georgia and he says 3 weeks after the Super Bowl ad a survey was conducted and the results were that 5 and half million people changed their opinion and became Pro-Life due to the ad. That seems so false!
Forget anything I said, LETS BURN HIM AT THE STAKE
It's true the blobby area in between "free speech is important" and "language can be violence" is impossible to fully navigate (for example, in Germany I believe anti-semitic speech does not fall under the protection of their free speech laws. Am I misremembering this? But if that's true it's very interesting w/r/t this conversation).
Part of it seems to be about recognizing that violence isn't just a monolithic thing--for example, in an abortion situation, perhaps the abortion itself can be construed as violence against an unborn child, but then if you take a step back, what other kinds of violence are inflicted by making THAT violence the only meaningful one? What if the mother is in danger of her life. What if the mother was raped and this is the rapist's baby she's expected to carry to term and find somebody to adopt. What if the mother is a drug addict, and the baby is going to be born with horrible birth defects and/or brain damage and/or already addicted to crack.
Or even more abstractly, what if the mom just can't afford the baby, and doesn't want the baby. So forcing her to have the baby leads to a human being spending years and years and years of its life in an unhealthy, cold, poverty-stricken environment where people beat up on it all the time. YEARS of violence, every kind of violence, leading to a very high probability of a kind of dead-end life vs. the one moment of cellular violence in the womb. And the "baby" can't make these choices--the mother is trying to make these choices, trying to negotiate between all these violences.
People like Tim Tebow can't think like this.
The kind of "argument" Tebow makes, about "oh I'm glad I wasn't aborted, so abortion should be illegal" is SUCH BULLSHIT. It's like "oh I wouldn't want to ever go to the opera so lets CLOSE THE NEA." So Tim Tebow ended up having a nice life and becoming a strong healthy millionaire, that's really great for him, but not every single non-aborted fetus is going to have that kind of life narrative. His mom chose not to abort him because SHE WANTED HIM. That makes all the difference. His use of this personal shit as a political argument totally reveals the terrifying narcissism of this kind of person. "Everyone is just like me, and if they aren't then they deserve to be punished."
That said, Tebow is a sports figure, who aren't known for having a huge effect government policy. Who cares what this dude thinks? I don't. He's got some misguided/uninformed/different opinions on abortion. It doesn't make him a misogynist jerk, just a kind of obnoxious one.
also "hail mary"
also "we need a miracle"
also such shitty spirals on his throws
also "what a jack ass"
also "oh OF COURSE he's anti-abortion"
"jesus H christ"
"HOLY SHIT!"
i'm sorry but i'm pretty in
great line about
316
and john
also they never do an actual dance??
if planking is hella racist and related to how slaves were brought over shackled and stacked on planks with vomit and feces running down and a lot of them died
then
tebowing is ________
You know what really blows my mind about the Wizard of Oz? It came out in 1939 when the world was all fucked and genocidey and I bet yourstruly could tell us something about wwii and the wizard of oz. Also maybe not.
http://www.statesrightsrecords.com/temp/carol.mp3