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- ed_chigliak April 2013
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Rip a Vinyl
Does anyone have the tech to do this?
I have one very rare and special record that I want to digitize lest (god forbid) anything ever happen to it. It's way out of print and not particularly special to anyone but me, so don't think this is a creepy venture!
I have one very rare and special record that I want to digitize lest (god forbid) anything ever happen to it. It's way out of print and not particularly special to anyone but me, so don't think this is a creepy venture!
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Last night we were talking about how crazy it is that we even know anything about ancient greece. How did enough scraps of 3,000 year old paper survive to give us even the vaguest notion of what was going on back then, not to mention, like, Plato's Dialogues?
C'EST LA VIE
It helps me make sense of this g.d. world
I imagined I’d be older when I started thinking about legacy.
don't get me started
GET ME STARTED
legacy is bullshit ideology! Fight the power
> notion of what was going on back then
I know RIGHT?! Plus: pottery and bones! Taking Ancient Greeks on Coursera right now and it is faci-FUCKING-nating how much of our knowledge is based on literal garbage and accidents of fate. The broken pot shards that were used to scribble a name for tallying up ostracism votes, then thrown away, let us follow the political in-fighting in 400 BC. Thank (the) god(s) for the Olympics because otherwise we would have no way to reliably date events. Etc.
My main take away is that a single random collector can end up being IMMORTAL due to us finding his stash two thousand plus years later! So keep hoarding you pack rats out there, you might be collecting an archaeological trove for someone in 4138.
Actually my main take away is how utterly alien the culture of the ancient greeks would be to us who assume it's a pretty straightforward line from Greeks -> Romans -> Europe -> Western Democracies. But hoarding is right up there.
I wonder how we know anything about music in the ancient world if there was no sheet music? (not even guitar tab, er- lyre tab?) Is there anyway to be able to know the actual notes played in a musical piece from ancient history? What is the earliest form of attempts to write down the structure of a piece of music?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_system_of_ancient_Greece#Syst.C3.AAma_Ametabolon.2C_an_overview_of_the_tone_system
Man those Greeks are full of surprises. Some dude has even tried to reproduce some of the music; http://homoecumenicus.com/ioannidis_music_ancient_greeks.htm
The answer is: WE DON'T
Another mind-blower.
The Greeks wrote a lot ABOUT music but they didn't (so far as we know) have much of a notational system. If you think about it, the idea of writing down music is totally bizarre and it makes sense that it would basically never occur to anybody to try to do it. So we know a lot about Greek instruments, and we know a lot about what they THOUGHT about various musical styles and, for lack of a better word, "keys" (they did not have keys) and stuff. We know that leaders shouldn't listen to dithyrambs for fear of becoming feminized, e.g. We know about lyres and stuff. We have that great story in Plato where he says large men should enforce respectful listening behavior at concerts by hitting people with sticks. But we don't have any way of even vaguely recreating what the music actually sounded like. It is a total mystery and will always remain so---because even the music theorists who wrote a lot ABOUT music don't ever mention notation or anything, because it didn't exist (we assume)
The kind of stuff they did write down was more like science--figuring out the overtone series and stuff (Pythagoras did that, athough he was a member of a religious sect that didn't believe in writing things down, so everything we know about his musico-scientific discoveries is hearsay). They didn't actually write down songs in any modern sense of the word. They thought of music as science and thought it helped them understand things about the planets and the earth and stuff. "the music of the spheres" was this idea that all the heavenly bodies make noise as they revolve, and that the overtone series mirrors the perfection of the heavens or something. Pythagoras had ideas about this after listening to a blacksmith hammering, apparently.
They think there might be music notation in various Egyptian hieroglyph systems but nobody can figure it out. I think I learned that somewhere.
The first actual notation that you could actually read and then reproduce doesn't come into being until the 10th century A.D. Can you believe that shit??? And even then, it was only because the church wanted to standardize its liturgy in an effort to control everybody.
The history of music pre-notation is really the history of how UTTERLY BONKERS ancient peoples' memories were. It would have been like nothing we can even imagine. Priests having LITERALLY TENS OF THOUSANDS of plainchants memorized--the melodies, the words, etc., but also which day of the church calendar year each chant belongs in, etc. Homer reciting the entire Iliad from memory. Shit like that. Give me a break!
SVG art maybe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics
pixels :: vector as mosaic :: stained glass
I don't think it will actually get too bad. The new Apple stuff is called "Retina resolution" because increasing resolution beyond this point isn't really something our eyes can discern.
training to becoming a priest took 10 years, and involved almost nothing but memorizing chants. Once you knew all the tens of thousands of chants, you were a priest! To learn the chants you had to go to the university in Paris so you could actually hear them sung by someone who already knew them.
Think though of all the films that have been lost to time because they hadn't invented film yet