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"Bad" smells that are good to you

edited February 2012
I'm thinking about smells and how we can wire ourselves to enjoy smells that traditionally would be considered "bad."

Obviously I am thinking of this because my snoopy is slumbering by my side and his body emits this amazing warm dirty odor that I could imagine someone else finding distasteful but which to me is like THE MOST amazing smell, like dirty salty baking bread plus mud plus his own weird snoopy hair oils. He smells so doggy. And I know I have met dogs who I thought smelled bad, and I washed my hands after patting them. But with my snoopy I smell his face all day and can't get enough.

Others:

- for a long time, the smell of gasoline and exhaust, specifically motorcycle or lawn mower, was like roses to me because my boyfriend was a mechanic and a landscaper and always smelled like gas. Total crazy Pavlovian smell-association
- horse poop. It just smells good to me. It smells like horses, which smell amazing
- baby smell is totally gross, like old milk and a faint whiff of poop, yet somehow babies smell incredible
- my old man's beard oils. Very earthy
- sometimes B.O. smells weirdly good, must be some animal-brain thing
- lingering garlic-smell on fingers after cooking

Now that I think about it they are all earth-smells. Is this the ghost of our ape-brains??

Remember that NYer article about perfume and how Calvin Klein's "Eternity" has some molecules from decaying flesh in it? Like there is a tiny microscopic part of us that finds that smell enticing

??

Flaubert wrote a lot about smelling his lovers' armpits and how they smelled like various horrible old cheeses (19th century hygiene), but the smell gave him boners

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  • edited February 2012
    OK re: "Ape brain:"
    Don't you think that the gas thing is somewhat a refutation of our A.B.?
    Our animal brain is real (rude to say ape bc it goes back WAY further), but there just can't be enough said for the overlay of reality's ability to shape our brain in the clear and present now, i.e. the erotic perfume of gasoline.

    Personally it is evident to me that we eroticize things, scents, in a cause-and-effect way.

    The new Yaxt perfume is stinky but I loves it bc it reminds me of those goobers and the new Shangri-La video which enforces the brand and makes me think I remember it (the video) happening to me.

    Smells are so cool because they are our first in into the world. If I am not mistaken, smell came first, even before a sense of touch.

    Will a scientist please tell me more about how smell and memory and emotion are linked in the mind.
  • really? smell is first?? that's wild

    I once read a really cool book about the history of SMELL in France, medieval to 19th century. It is called THE FOUL AND THE FRAGRANT.

    Smell!

    So true re: gasoline and ape brain and erotic/emotional connections.

    I thought of another one: my teddy bear! 30 years' worth of dust and body oils and weird bed smells. He's never been cleaned. He has a very intense, unique aroma and it is deeply comforting to me. BABY BRAIN
  • edited February 2012
    I remember reading somewhere that the only smell that humans truly cannot stand is the smell of death, and all other smell like and dislikes are learned. And that you can change what smells you like based on personal experience and exposure.

    I don't know if that's 100% true, and I'm surely recalling some of it incorrectly. Since the smell of death and decaying flesh are basically the same thing, I also wonder how true that Calvin Klein thing is. Then again, when I worked at a funeral home, it was common for some people to get really hungry when they smelled decomposing bodies. Like, smelling a badly decaying body made them really want a burger. I never understood it.
  • edited February 2012
    I was trying to find where I read those facts about smells when I stumbled upon this article. It has some pretty cool things in it:

    Moreover, there are no empirical examples of cross-cultural consensus on odor heodonic evaluation among adults (Ayabe-Kanamura et al., 1998). A striking example is how in recent research undertaken by the US military to create a ‘ stink bomb’ it was impossible to find an odor (including US army issue latrine scent) that was unanimously considered repulsive across various ethnic groups.
    (This seems to contradict my whole thing about the smell of death, but I really doubt there are people out there that love the smell of decomposition.)
    In the mid-1960s, in Britain, Moncrieff (1966) asked adult respondents to provide hedonic ratings to a battery of common odors. A similar study was conducted in the United States in the late 1970s (Cain and Johnson, 1978). Included in both studies was the odorant methyl salicylate (wintergreen). In the British study, wintergreen was given one of the lowest pleasantness ratings, whereas, in the US study it was given the highest. The reason for this difference is explained as follows. In Britain, the smell of wintergreen is associated with medicine and particularly for the participants in the 1966 study with analgesics that were popular during World War II, a time that these individuals would not remember fondly. Conversely, in the US, the smell of wintergreen is exclusively a candy mint smell and one that only has positive connotations.
  • edited February 2012
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  • You guys. Remember how I can't smell? That's hasn't changed. (That's all I have to add to this thread.)
  • edited February 2012
    I love the dock stink of old encrusted pilings. Astoria had and has a lot of that.

    And, the stink of creosote.

    You can smell the stinky bay in some of the blocks downtown in Seattle.

    The smell of that big old ocean thing.

    Sloshing around.
  • oh yeah FLOSSY!!!!!! Your affliction!
    You can't even get the free smells at Jimmy John's

    that's cool science news about smells, KING OF!!! Wintergreen!!
  • whoa is there creosote in Yaxt's perfume?
  • isn't men's cologne inspired by, or maybe even originally made from, the scent that male buck deer emit during mating season? I think it's called musk?

    smell is some powerful stuff- the smell of really rotten things (death) almost puts me into a panic- it's like inner warning systems sounding off telling me to get away immediately.

    on the other hand, i have always loved the smell of lemons. better than any flowers, imho
  • I don't consider any of these bad smells, but ones that certainly spur emotion:

    Charcoal & roasted banana: very specific, reminds me of the streets of Cambodia. Nothing else like it.
    The inside of an older model volvo: they all smell the same. It's very comforting. Like warm dust, must.
    Rotting grapes: summer!
    Sulfur / springs: probably due to associations with relaxation, but I still like it.
    Campfire: people always complain about smelling like campfire. I wish I always smelled this way!
  • Smell is the only sense that is not mediated by the spinal cord, it goes directly to the brain. Perhaps this is part of why it is so heavily linked to memory?

    Favorite smells

    Grapefruit peel
    Linden flower
    Gasoline
    Skunk (from a distance)
    Rain on the high desert (wet rock & sage)
    Weird gnarly Turkish soap that sends me right back to my Grandparent's old summer apartment. I think they used to wash the floors with it. Once or twice I smelled it (or something very similar) in the States and it freaked me out so hard. Last time I was there I found the actual soap! And bought a cube, wrapped it in plastic and stuck it in a drawer. Every so often I take it out and smell it.
  • It's true that a distant enough skunk smell puts an uncontrollable smile on my face for some reason. Maybe the reason is that I imagine a cute skunk scuttling off somewhere? They're pretty adorable. I SMELL YOU, SKUNKY!
  • I like skunk bc it smell like fresh rubber cement

    mmm collages
  • Not a bad smell, I agree with DrJ about the ocean, when we were in Anacortes, I loved smelling the salty sea smell in the cool night. The best. Also the smell right before it rains.
  • edited February 2012
    I have this theory that in the future, perfume will have deliberately plastic overtones... to evoke the excitement of unwrapping a fresh iPad/Gamecube/MindCPU
  • inside of old Volvo!!!!! SO TRUE!!!!!!

    whenever I get inside an old Volvo I am powerfully transported back to college because Katy AND Adam both had old Volvos and I just have so many specific associations betwixt that smell and that time in my life. And now Katy's girlfriend has one so it's really weird to get in it with them and have this map of new-Katy on top of old-Katy in my memory, associated with the same smell.

  • mmmmmm, funky ocean, fire/smoke, ponies!

    if I could huff lapsang souchong all day long I would! Ideally while riding a sweaty horse by the ocean.
  • GIRLS AND THEIR LOVE OF (THE MUSTY SMELL OF) HORSES

  • I love skunk smell! Maybe because it reminds me of those old scratch-and-sniff books and stickers. They nailed the skunk smell, unlike most of the other smells. I imagine a full on blast of skunk stink would be horrible, but I've never experienced that.

    If I got sprayed by a skunk, I wonder if that smell, even the faintest whiff of it, would be ruined forever.
  • old Volvo, yep, I gotta pile on to that one. It's not pleasant. Kind of moldy. But yes, it makes me feel very peaceful.
  • As someone who has spent around eight years of my life driving old Volvos, I am not on board with this love of their smell. I like the "new car" / "rental car" smell more.
  • Well then maybe you should vote for it.
  • edited February 2012
    My affection for old volvo smell could be a function of my lack of time spent in old volvos. It's a charming, abstract relationship, not actually cluttered with much lived experience. It's a lot like my relationship with, say, Spain.

    (one week, twenty years ago).

    Great link Dr. Bill!
  • just found out fetal dogs can distinguish smells from the outside world IN THE WOMB
  • edited February 2012
    But like... through their mama's blood or like literally through the lining of her body
    ?
  • I don't know!!! I just read it in this dog science book, and he includes it as an aside, like it's no biggie!!!!

    apparently they are born already knowing smells. The way humans are born already knowing their mom's voice. But for dogs it's smells!!!!!!! They are born blind and deaf but with a really complex smell-range.
  • old volvo! for real though!
  • so many good memories
    like Proust's madeleine
    only it's ol' moldy leather instead
  • How come Volvo? You know? Is it because they are so boxy? Or Swedish?

    Old VWs had something similar, but a little more vinyly.

    But no, Volvo!
  • Wow, new contender for that thread about random posters.
  • Hi Ulalume. Welcome. Thanks for materializing.

    There is a part of the process that seems like it smells pretty sweet, like baking bread, but that gets sharper and sharper, more putrid, you might say.

    That's been my experience with dead critters in the rafters. I found two dead raccoons in the backyard once. It took a couple of weeks to figure out what was going on. I buried their remains. It was kind of gnarly.

    Two. Pretty close together. I felt honored, actually.
  • I recommend that article about perfume from years ago in the New Yorker. That is literally all the information I can remember about it, but as I recall it delved pretty deeply into this issue. That is where I learned that Calvin Klein's "Eternity" has a molecule from decomposing flesh in it (thus the title is a bit of an in joke).

    The article was about the head perfumer for Hermès. Wow it seems like I am now remembering enough details for a google search.

    Indeed!:

    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/03/14/050314fa_fact

    ITS A GOOD READ

  • God damn, that is a good read!

    Who wants to go on a smelling field trip to find this perfume? I wonder if it will smell like the idea of green mangos for real??
  • what about the other scent the perfumer was working on for Hermes, which he wanted to smell like "a leather bathing suit coming out of the swimming pool"...to me it would scream MILDEW APPROACHING! AVOID AVOID!
  • edited February 2012
    ooo me wanty

    you guys remember that book Das Parfum
    my freaky ex bf zax p gave it to me for christmas one year
    did any of you see the movie of it
    Do you like the Nirvana song Scentless Apprentice
  • I hated that movie! So gross and absurd, with the melting of ladies or whatever. Sexiest human perfume.
  • wait was that the movie where he kills 19th century prostitutes to make his perfume? And the movie was called like "PERFUME" or something???? I laughed so hard during the preview, I thought it was a joke preview!!! IT WASN'T!

    ????
  • "THE SCENT MASTER"

    "SCENT OF A WOMAN PREQUEL"

    "THE MOST DANGEROUS SNIFF"
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