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The return of Flickr

MatthewMatthew
edited December 2012
The new app + Instagram’s new TOS is making Flickr fun again.

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  • YoursTrulyYoursTruly
    please say more
  • MatthewMatthew
    It was a ghost town for a while. But the last week or so there has been so much activity. Coinciding with the new Flickr iPhone app. Also, everyone is up in arms about Instagram saying "you agree that a business or other entity may pay us to display your username, likeness, photos" in their new terms of service.
  • NickNick
    my contacts still don't ever post photos
  • MatthewMatthew
    I do sometimes. PW does.
  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    Flickr has continued to be pretty lively for the artsy set... my photo stream is mostly weird collages.

    But I have stopped using Flickr a great deal. It just feels silly to put fresh art up there.
  • swamp_knobbler_mahanswamp_knobbler_mahan
    I'M BACK
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalhearth/
  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    I just learned that Instagram has the freedom to use my pictures in ads unless I delete my account by Jan. 16th. Goodbye, my many photos of colors and my boy friend!
  • the_owlsthe_owls
    Seriously, Fuck You Instagram.
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    Highly unlikely.

    http://blog.instagram.com/post/38252135408/thank-you-and-were-listening

    Chill, y'all.
  • 12341234
    edited December 2012
    Don't chill. Stay angry. In fact, get so angry you quit Facebook!

    (update: not joking!)
  • the_owlsthe_owls
    Getting angry is what helps them to know they are doing something dumb- I'll stay at a low level of anger, even though I'm pretty sure it'll all work itself out.

    Since you mentioned it I went and uploaded to flickr today! Fun.
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    I disagree, having been on the other side of this. One time people got super angry at my company when we 1) had no intention to do the things they were accusing us of, and 2) were in the midst of working with lawyers to improve our TOS just to be even clearer about our intentions and prior to anyone even saying anything about it.

    The reason this incident irks me is because of that experience, where I had been working for months to improve something, then people threw a hissyfit and smugly thought that their anger was what caused us to make changes. Like "Hmph, if we hadn't stood up to THE MAN, he was gonna walk all over us!"

    I think it's important to be careful about your intellectual property and to read TOS agreements and to expect them to be clear and acceptable, but you can do all of that without assuming that the people who are working at a company are super evil money monsters who are scheming on how to screw you over. Most of them are people like me! They care about creativity and making the web better. They built a cool photo program because they wanted to help you!!!
  • LelandLeland
    edited December 2012
    Is that why you put those razorblades in my apple?

    To help?

    Sorry. I misunderstood.
  • YoursTrulyYoursTruly
    why are we supposed to quit facebook this time?
    i am always right on the verge of quitting facebook so let me know
    even though it is the perfect venue for my brand of witticism
  • MatthewMatthew
    Same stuff.
  • kdawgkdawg
    edited December 2012
    The thing is, Instagram is owned by Facebook now, and Facebook is a publicly-traded company. So the assumption isn't that the people that work there are super evil money monsters as much as that even though they might be nice well meaning dudes, the people who work there are now legally mandated to try to maximize the value for shareholders--not to protect their users' rights, etc. So I don't see anything wrong with an additional level of scrutiny and suspicion.

    The healthiest thing right now is for the biggest tech companies to fear the wrath of their user base because at a time when tech co's are pouring tons of money into lobbying against IP enforcement and against privacy protections, that's one of the few places individuals have leverage.

    I don't think all tech companies are the same. But I do think when you cross that threshold of becoming publicly traded, you're gonna be more ethically suspect. (Sorry Mike!)
  • YoursTrulyYoursTruly
    yesterday a student asked me if I'm on facebook and I said "no"

  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    Were you like "yeah but I'm on makeoutclub... look me up on page 45"
  • YoursTrulyYoursTruly
    I was like "check out my band's myspace"
  • swamp_knobbler_mahanswamp_knobbler_mahan
    no but I'm on krexpats.org getting in arguments with miss lonelyhearts and coming in second
  • YoursTrulyYoursTruly
    edited December 2012
    whoa, what is that???
    forgot about that awful person. Haven't thought of that person in prob like 7 years. The first "troll" I ever knew! You never forget your first time
    What is that website?
    Jesus
  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    edited December 2012
    omg same
    That was so fun.

    I entered krexpats into the google and a tweet came up that just said RIP krexpats. And guess what?? there was one like------by J*** Bomb!!!!!!!!

    He is whatever the opposite of a troll is, I think
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    My company was also publicly traded.

    We were never called into a meeting with the dudes higher up and told "DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET DAT MONEY." We were told to provide the best service in our class and we were allowed to do it the way we thought was best, because we had shown that we knew how to get it done. And the best service is not the one that is secretly plotting how to screw over your community. People who have built successful communities of millions of people know this!

    I'm not saying "Hey, just trust us completely, you never have to worry," but I am saying that people seem real fast to turn on a company that has been trying hard to provide a great experience and suddenly accuse those people of being villains in a Hollywood movie that have to be "stood up to."

    Even after the founder posted his blog post outlining the misunderstandings and their commitments to the community, people are still like "Yeah right, he just said that because we got mad." I really doubt that! He probably wants to make the best service possible!
  • 12341234
    edited December 2012
    "legally mandated to try to maximize the value for shareholders"

    That's me you guys! I TAKE IT BACK! DON'T QUIT! I WANT TO BE RICH!

    "But I do think when you cross that threshold of becoming publicly traded, you're gonna be more ethically suspect. (Sorry Mike!)"

    You say ethically suspect, I say accountability. ;)

    @Marc_Zuckerberg, not to get all @kdawg on you, but I would argue that you can't have a "community" of millions of people. That's a population, not a community.

    I don't trust VC funded companies. I don't trust companies that don't know how they will make money (oh wait, that's like ALL tech companies...). And I don't trust any web service or software product to still be around a year from now.

    But my lack of trust does not lend itself to a lack of participation. All this stuff is temporary. I don't really care about a company's TOS because I expect that company won't exist soon enough.

    And THAT is why I call bullshit on the argument of their attempt to build the best service. The best service is built slowly and it's built to last. It's not pre-sold to VCs and injected with too much money in an attempt to grow at faster-than-normal rate. It's not designed to make anyone rich and no one is waiting to cash out their sweet stock options. That's not a model for building best in class. That's a model for "DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET DAT MONEY."

    NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE! I SOUND LIKE @kdawg!!!

    I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism. I love capitalism.

    Okay. I feel better.
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    I wish I actually knew how to get dat money :(
  • 12341234
    I think "dat money" needs to be a bigger priority for you.

    Step one: move to San Francisco. :(

    There is no money in Portland.
  • flossy_log_ladyflossy_log_lady
    Mike, can you give us an example of a company you trust? What's an exemplary company, in your opinion?

    I tend to agree with MZ that people should chill out and - I might add - politely and appropriately address grievances with companies (innocent until proven guilty kind of thing). But then I am sort of a stupidly polite person, I guess.

    MZ, if you figure out how to get dat money, please let me know. I will buy you a coffee in exchange for you explaining it to me (and maybe bringing me on board your dat-money-making machine).

  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    Mike is right about step one. I admit that dat money is actually a lower priority to me than dat Portland experience.
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    Flossy, ask our mutual friend, ZK! He's the smart one in that area.
  • flossy_log_ladyflossy_log_lady
    edited December 2012
    I don't want to. :)

    Plus, I don't think his particular brand of genius is really something he can share or explain.

  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    You ride a stationary bike while doing your work.... what more could a person ask for.
  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    Moving........ I have thought about it. For me, it is a decision between LA and Detroit, which is.... weird. Other than the fact I have family in both places they could hardly be more different. LAX entices me with its climate and "creative jobs." DTW is empty but has opportunity for growth and cheap houses, and its own cool funky creative world. Things that make you go hmm
  • 12341234
    edited December 2012
    I don't think you can trust a company because a company isn't a person.

    You can trust the person or people in charge of a company.

    For example, I trust Warren Buffet, so right now I'd trust Berkshire Hathaway. However, once he dies, I would no longer trust Berkshire Hathaway... I'd have to learn about the new person in charge.

    I trust Fresh Pot, Heart, Worn Path and other small local companies. Again, because I know the people working there... I don't think I ever really trusted the company @Marc_Zuckerburg worked for. I liked them, and I still want them to succeed, but the people in charge of that enterprise aren't really in charge of it. They have corporate overlords who get to set the course and decide who stays and who leaves.

    I trust that the corporate overlord of that company is trying it's hardest to make money for me as a shareholder.

    Oh, I trust Jeff Bezos and Amazon! He is a legit long-term thinker and I like him and his products. Of course, Amazon will likely exist after he leaves... then what?!?

    Oh, and I trust Panic.
  • LelandLeland
    edited December 2012
    This is a good read about what living rich is like today. (It's kind of long. You can catch the gist from page six, but you really should read the whole thing. Or buy her book.)

    Everybody else is anxious and this anxiety is channeled into rages of one kind or another, like yelling at (possibly) mythical corporate creeps.

    I'm sympathetic.
  • 12341234
    edited December 2012
    What we were seeing, he argued, was not a single economy at all, but rather “fundamentally two separate types of economy,” increasingly distinct and divergent.
    Oh... this is very Small Is Beautiful...

    (It's happening again... I'm turning into @kdawg! DAMN HIM! Let this be a lesson to everyone... DO NOT READ ANY BOOKS HE RECOMMENDS! IT'S CAPITALIST MIND POISON!)
  • LelandLeland
    “If a man is not an oligarch, something is not right with him,” Khodorkovsky told me.
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    An American media executive living in London put it more succinctly still: “We are the people who know airline flight attendants better than we know our own wives.”

    Sometimes I feel really bad for rich folks who think it's more important to fly around and be fancy than it is to KNOW THEIR WIFE.
  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread


  • YoursTrulyYoursTruly
    POWERFUL TRUTHS
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    OMG I just watched "The Queen of Versailles" on Netflix about a time share baron who got real messed up in the crash of 2008 (because his company was based on people having easy access to "cheap" debt, duh).

    Highly recommended, and of course he totally despises his wife and family. He just wishes he could buy more jets! BOO HOO!
  • Loose_ThreadLoose_Thread
    That is the same guy who became famous during the election for writing a letter to his employees that said they better vote for romney or else
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    Wow, in this movie he claims he is "personally responsible" for George W Bush becoming president (he lives in Florida, mind) and when asked how he is personally responsible, he says he can't say because it wasn't legal.
  • Judar_SpitzerJudar_Spitzer
    just watched it the other day. Incredible.

  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    edited December 2012
    I'm reading more articles about this jerk and getting so mad. This is the kind of "job creator" who thinks he's entitled to be able to run a business that really only creates more debt! He just creates jobs that further ruin the economy!

    By entitled, I mean he's the kind of Republican who gets pissed off at the government when they aren't working to increase access to loans for poor people to dig themselves deeper.
  • MirandaJulyMirandaJuly
    As for the notion that the divide between the wealthy and everyone else is grotesquely wide, David says: “There’s always been rich and poor, the 1 percent and the 99 percent.” And then he adds, “It’s like a prison. If you only have prisoners and no guards, you’d have chaos.”
  • 12341234
    Hey all,

    http://flickstagram.org

    I'm using this to pull my instagram photos into flickr. Nice.
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