Ridiculously late notice, especially for some kind of volunteering free getting in: http://www.bandwidthconference.com/ August 27-28 PDX Invite-only, no press, future of music business conference.
oh yeah! two well drinks! the drink ticket actually said "well drink, draft beer, PBR, Red Bull, Tecate or equivalent" Prettiest of Gary Nathans brought me that second drink while i was on stage and i also got a brownie a la mode with my meal ticket!
also tho Pretty Nathan did a real good bit on stage where he did all the dialog of the movie Air Wolf so good!
YT, if was an honor playing with you guys. plus the parents Truly were being real nice afterwards too.
I like that venue. I used to hate it b/c I lived behind it when they were building it out. Then for the first couple of years their programming was too lame to hear... late and loud. But then they opened Bar Bar and started making those bitchin' fries. Also I became sensitive to the wonderful signage and use of typography, which is so consistent I imagine it must be the owner's pet project. They book a range of shows, indicating a good business sense. It seems to have a pretty good retention rate for various staff members, which seems to indicate a humane management style. I can't wait for the winter months, when I enjoy going in at 1:00 pm on a weekend day, with a book, order up a cider and a french fry, sit right on top of a heating grate (in a chair).
tonight in music i am involved with: Adrian Orange/Thanksgiving (Slight Return) Jordan Dykstra https://www.facebook.com/jordandykstramusic Musician/Band Official Jordan Dykstra Facebook Music Page. Some of you may know my band as DASH! from the older days so check out the new stuff and thanks for coming by!!! http://soundcloud.com/jordandykstra http://jordash.bandcamp.com/ This is the music I composed for the film "A Quiet Night", Cliff Sargent's thesis for the Art Institute of Portland. View it here: vimeo.com/26146733
Caspar Sonnet http://casparsonnet.tumblr.com/ D. Reuben Snyder is an experimental composer, multi-instrumentalist, and singer-songwriter living in Portland, Oregon. His music is known for its complex repetitions, unique phrasing, harmonies, and structural permutations. He draws inspiration from an eclectic range of sources, including: Native American mythology and music, 16th century Italian vocal composer Carlo Gesualdo, and contemporary American minimalist composer Morton Feldman. Snyder releases his debut recording entitled Identify, under the pseudonym Caspar Sonnet, fall 2012.
White Rainbow
The Pajama Party
Common Grounds Coffehouse 4321 SE Hawthorne Blvd five acts in rapid succession from approximately 8pm to approximately 10pm
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Aaron C. Scout Joined 6 months ago March 27, 2012 Friendly baristas, comfy couches, and a well-stocked magazine rack. Their breakfast sandwiches have been earning raves.
I came in the door on Monday evening and waited 10 minutes for someone to to come to the counter to take my order. The bell on the door rang several times and there was no bell on the counter ... and still no one came. When the barista finally came out, I told her I'd been waiting 10 minutes, but she was too busy chewing her dinner and giving me attitude to apologize for making a customer wait so long for service. I found her rude and dismissive. On a good note, the hot chocolate I ordered was really tasty.
"This is a cool bar and bottle shop. The shop/bar maybe small but it is worth the stop. If you are a beer drinker this is a must for you to visit. Very impressive selection of bottled beers and a few on tap. The prices very…" read more » 58 reviews for Common Grounds Coffee House
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"...coffee, warm, calm atmosphere, huge magazine selection." In 4 reviews "Funky old couches and mismatched chairs for you to relax on." In 14 reviews "...up on your Facebook news feed (free Wi-Fi) and get your..." In 4 reviews"
"Solid is how I'd describe this place. It's a part of the neighborhood, as comfortably broken in as their voluminous sofas. It's old school coffee house ambiance the journal of the denizens now replaced by the laptop- free wifi erasing amateur literary efforts. Their musical choices are eclectic , varied and good quality.
The food is workman like. The menu changes little so I'm bored of the same sandwiches I've been eating for years and don't know what to say about them anymore. The homemade soups are very good, a real winter mainstay. All the baked goods are great. Grab the biscotti when it's freshly baked.
Great location & menu reads well, but every time I go, I feel bad... & dirty. The layout is awkward & I've caught staff not washing their hands before food prep. Last time my chai was lukewarm & a giant glob of cinnamon almost made me gag. I didn't want cinnamon but noone asked beforehand. Think I'm giving up on this one.
The owners have added beer and wine to the menu and have been promoting live music. I haven't had the occasion to sample these offerings as I'm never around in the evenings, but I imagine they'll be comfortable and solid."
Karen: The venue doesn't charge for entry. Mary: Let's find someone who can sit at the door and take a cover charge. Rebecca: Let's find someone who can sit at the door, give everyone the once-over, and take an appropriate, sliding-scale cover charge.
it was fun! otis and i jammed out on some beat collages, we both had fun doing it and a few buddies told us that it was a good stew. cairo dudes were nice and funny and awesome and the weather was great. had a beer. hung around for a while. grabbed a nice hooded shirt. saw some funny seattle types with their funny store bought clothing and expensive looking dogs. also hula hooping and sparklers. a goth band with candles on candle stands, a few tweets, a few instagrams, a nice ride up with mark, and one of them classic drives back home where its dark and yr tired and it sucks.
Wired has an anti-IP protection agenda-- and so I'm not surprised that their article is misleading. The stream was unwatchable because the convention had ended for the night. Instead of a message saying "the convention has ended for the night, tune in tomorrow", viewers got a message saying the video had been flagged. Which is annoying and an error, but not the threat to open democracy that is implied.
Still, Google does need to tweak the ContentID system. It'd also be nice if they made the inclusion of indie content in the ContentID system a bigger priority, so it's not just the majors and mega-indies that have access to monetization through Youtube.
"Hey these musicians can always get a REAL job of they don't like the streaming deals that are available. I'm tired of them trying to make us feel sorry for them. They are notorious for hating to punch a time clock. They want total freedom to come and go as they please. Well there's a price to be paid for that. It's called POVERTY! The truth is most musicians spend their entire lives making just enough money to get by. ... A career as a musician involves a lot of risk and very few financial rewards most of the time."
That's the first comment on this article about how little an artist makes from streaming services. I think it highlights a disconnect between employed software nerds and unemployed music nerds, which is funny because they both make "digital goods" and the model that ate the indie musician could just as easily swallow the indie developer (see Apple's 30% cut).
Oh, look at you Software Developers. You're so cute to want to spend your time making your little computer programs. And it's so funny how you like to wear sweat pants even when you are working. I guess you just do it for the love of code!!
If that guy with the poverty comment listens to any other music besides pushing the on button on his top 40 radio set, he can go to hell. Plus it's like totes ironic that he's like "if they don't like it they need to get real" when the whole point of the article is to be like "okay how can we get real"
As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they're getting exposure via Spotify/Rdio/iTunes means that they should have to pay or be compensated less for said exposure.
Yeah, he made me mad with how he totally missed the point. But from his perspective it's so easy to make money. Which I think is why programmers tend to be a bit Randian.
> It would be fun to have a MST3K style viewing of the new Atlas Shrugged.
I'M WAY IN
I also want some tees printed up that say "one-time teenage Objectivist." Maybe with like some fake Urban Outfitters style factory applied grunge rips?
Yeah, this is basically what I deal with every day at work, trying to communicate with these libertarian techie dudes who think they understand how the music industry works. It is infuriating!
pretty much the reason i hate the world. extra credit for reading indignant snarky comments from assholes of all colors!
people commenting on articles about music economy on the internet truly hate the music business and this lady isn't really helping the cause with her "this is the future of music" and then just being an idiot with a millionaire husband and not paying people to play at her shows and inflating production costs of various things 500% like people aint gonna know
i like that owen pallet wades in for a few smacks.
I had experience with a fundraiser that was fiscally mismanaged.... it's all too easy to arbitrarily assign inflated costs to things when you have no real accounting. Pentagon style $50,000 toilet seat covers or whatever. Personally I would take an accounting class if I took on a major fundraiser... money is just too big of a deal and expectations have to be managed at the cost of your good name! But making money for a project and then asking people to work on it for free is lame ^_^
i think a better combo of compassionate arts/music/creative/risky but cool/experimental/ giving and a more traditional brick and mortar product-based creative economy is needed
its a mindset change for a country so based on bootstraps product/profit/growth/success ideology
and ties, in my mind at least, into the systemic problems that have made that ideology so far from the reality of business here
i am strongly in favor of promoting a re-valuation of the arts and non-return-based exploration, with no need for an eventual profit based value
this lady making a milli then bungling it so completely, all in the public eye, it sets the promotion of the idea of giving to the arts with no need for great return back so much
i really love the idea of crowd funding but i also really love the idea of creating a system of accountability, transparency and fiscal planning/education that is just not set into place within the popular crowdfunding offerings of our time
i predict this problem will grow, and either kickstarter will make adjustments or be usurped by the next dudes with good fonts colors and designs who make a snazzy funding thing where there is more realistism, more appreciation, more feelings of responsibility and connectivity between giver and receiver.... more emotional connectivity, trust on a foundational level confidence
and more of a focus on the follow up and what people do with the money
so shit like this doesn't continue to happen and give everyone a bad taste in their mouth
It's hard for me not to feel a bit mean towards needy musicians as I get older... No one bought your last record so you need money to fund your new one? Well, tough shit. I mean not really, I only feel that way some of the time, when it's music/somebody I don't like. But eventually one has to start living in REALITY. If you absolutely must make money from music and no one is interested something has to change, which seems so dumb and basic, but is often forgotten.
When I was an optimistic 18 year-old I remember reading a Tim Gane (Stereolab guy) interview where he said something like "The only thing that matters is that you make good music. If your music is good, you'll succeed." which sounded so harsh to me at the time. I just thought so many people in the world made good things which were under-appreciated.
And it's a total mess of stimulation out there. How are you supposed to hear the good stuff when the cars driving by are blasting that "FUN" song. How is the rest of the world supposed to compete with music that is basically a commercial for itself?
How can you be heard? Because if more people heard you, they'd be more likely to like you. Labels don't even seem to serve this purpose anymore. It seems like while in the past some folks were tempted to buy a certain label's entire catalog, it doesn't happen as much anymore. It's too much music.
A friend of mine did this cool thing: He made an amazing t-shirt. People are drawn to the shirt so much they want to buy it even if they don't know the band. But the only way to get the shirt is to get it with a download card of his music. Some of those people might not even download the music, but he sure is selling a lot of shirts.
when your mind plays tricks on you…don’t let it win- lady miss kier……
………www.ladykier.com
when I made Manfred Thierry Mugler a re-recording of “what is Love” renamed “How do you say ….Mugler”…..for his show in 1992 …I never knew their website would play it 20 years later for more than 5 years thru out the 2000’s,long after the originator left the building. When Dj Michael Magnum ( one of ny’s finest) informed me of this free long-term endorsement , i enquired about the possibility of sending me a garment in exchange….House of Mugler’s press monkey asked me if i wanted a bottle of perfume instead ! “no thanks….Manfred already gave me 3”. Manfred was always so generous when he worked there, at the co. he started,developed consistently, and made famous. It’s a shame they are not anymore . No wonder he changed his name to manfred after leaving! and “NO House of Mugler… i won’t Dj your fashion collection after-party event this sept. for a reduced rate! cheap ass - Lady Miss Kier
from : “The dirty business of dreams” by Kier Kirby
Burn a million quid and you are an artist. Waste a million bucks and you are jerk.
1. It's her money. As long as she provides the "rewards" people purchased then everyone can go fuck themselves. The deal was, give X and get Y. Any accountability or transparency or any of that shit is OPTIONAL.
2. Kickstarter isn't a store. You aren't buying a record. You are giving money to support the creation of the record, and as a reward you will be given a free copy. It's not a purchase. It's a donation.
3. You want to get your million? Well, get famous, be attractive, and ask. That's all it takes. Then you can burn it or waste it. It's your call.
In business, accountability should never be optional.
My friend Chad has this theory: she is a terrible person, and once you understand that it explains all her behavior, and also her music.
A friend of a friend told a story about opening for her years ago, and she kicked the opening act out of THEIR dressing room, because she was wanting to have a massage, and the tour bus made her feel too cramped.
As much time as that awful woman spends shitting on other people's business models, I don't think she gets to complain when people turn it back on her.
This piece of writing where she defends crowdsourcing MUSICIANS for her tour really does prove that she's just an asshole. In most cities she asks people to come and play on stage with her for free- and details her feelings about sharing and caring, experience, the joy of music, etc etc etc. BUT, she does have certain cities where she hires musicians to play, for money! Because in NY, for example, she really doesn't want to take the risk. So, no community joy music sharing free times in the biggest, aka highest profile cities? Community joy hippie unpaid jams anywhere else she can get them? Riiiiiiiiiight.
But also, it's mostly in the context of the Kickstarter that I find this so annoying... it just seems like you give this lady an inch and she takes a mile. Reading her breakdown of costs for the $1,000,000 is insane- she needed $20,000 to pay graphic designers? It's awesome to pay everyone involved fairly, but that is beyond fair and fully in the realm of exorbitant.
Had anyone heard of this lady before all of the crazy press? I hadn't, and I'm super confused by her popularity. She sounds ok I guess? Not my cup of tea, and not anything I've never heard before.
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#shipcamein
#itsalivin
when you want the best, you pay him the big bucks, that's just good common horse business sense
the drink ticket actually said "well drink, draft beer, PBR, Red Bull, Tecate or equivalent"
Prettiest of Gary Nathans brought me that second drink while i was on stage
and i also got a brownie a la mode with my meal ticket!
also tho Pretty Nathan did a real good bit on stage where he did all the dialog of the movie Air Wolf
so good!
YT, if was an honor playing with you guys. plus the parents Truly were being real nice afterwards too.
Adrian Orange/Thanksgiving (Slight Return)
Jordan Dykstra
https://www.facebook.com/jordandykstramusic
Musician/Band
Official Jordan Dykstra Facebook Music Page. Some of you may know my band as DASH! from the older days so check out the new stuff and thanks for coming by!!!
http://soundcloud.com/jordandykstra
http://jordash.bandcamp.com/
This is the music I composed for the film "A Quiet Night", Cliff Sargent's thesis for the Art Institute of Portland. View it here: vimeo.com/26146733
Caspar Sonnet
http://casparsonnet.tumblr.com/
D. Reuben Snyder is an experimental composer, multi-instrumentalist, and singer-songwriter living in Portland, Oregon. His music is known for its complex repetitions, unique phrasing, harmonies, and structural permutations. He draws inspiration from an eclectic range of sources, including: Native American mythology and music, 16th century Italian vocal composer Carlo Gesualdo, and contemporary American minimalist composer Morton Feldman. Snyder releases his debut recording entitled Identify, under the pseudonym Caspar Sonnet, fall 2012.
White Rainbow
The Pajama Party
Common Grounds Coffehouse
4321 SE Hawthorne Blvd
five acts in rapid succession from approximately 8pm to approximately 10pm
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What Our Expert Scouts Say
Aaron C. Scout
Joined 6 months ago
March 27, 2012
Friendly baristas, comfy couches, and a well-stocked magazine rack. Their breakfast sandwiches have been earning raves.
I came in the door on Monday evening and waited 10 minutes for someone to to come to the counter to take my order. The bell on the door rang several times and there was no bell on the counter ... and still no one came. When the barista finally came out, I told her I'd been waiting 10 minutes, but she was too busy chewing her dinner and giving me attitude to apologize for making a customer wait so long for service. I found her rude and dismissive. On a good note, the hot chocolate I ordered was really tasty.
"This is a cool bar and bottle shop. The shop/bar maybe small but it is worth the stop. If you are a beer drinker this is a must for you to visit. Very impressive selection of bottled beers and a few on tap. The prices very…" read more »
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"...coffee, warm, calm atmosphere, huge magazine selection."
In 4 reviews
"Funky old couches and mismatched chairs for you to relax on."
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"...up on your Facebook news feed (free Wi-Fi) and get your..."
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"Solid is how I'd describe this place. It's a part of the neighborhood, as comfortably broken in as their voluminous sofas. It's old school coffee house ambiance the journal of the denizens now replaced by the laptop- free wifi erasing amateur literary efforts. Their musical choices are eclectic , varied and good quality.
The food is workman like. The menu changes little so I'm bored of the same sandwiches I've been eating for years and don't know what to say about them anymore. The homemade soups are very good, a real winter mainstay. All the baked goods are great. Grab the biscotti when it's freshly baked.
Great location & menu reads well, but every time I go, I feel bad... & dirty. The layout is awkward & I've caught staff not washing their hands before food prep. Last time my chai was lukewarm & a giant glob of cinnamon almost made me gag. I didn't want cinnamon but noone asked beforehand. Think I'm giving up on this one.
The owners have added beer and wine to the menu and have been promoting live music. I haven't had the occasion to sample these offerings as I'm never around in the evenings, but I imagine they'll be comfortable and solid."
Mary: Let's find someone who can sit at the door and take a cover charge.
Rebecca: Let's find someone who can sit at the door, give everyone the once-over, and take an appropriate, sliding-scale cover charge.
Wild Things maximize their profits
if you want to listen to my set from last night's thing
i had a special visitor on stage
cairo dudes were nice and funny and awesome and the weather was great. had a beer. hung around for a while. grabbed a nice hooded shirt. saw some funny seattle types with their funny store bought clothing and expensive looking dogs.
also hula hooping and sparklers. a goth band with candles on candle stands, a few tweets, a few instagrams, a nice ride up with mark, and one of them classic drives back home where its dark and yr tired and it sucks.
Still, Google does need to tweak the ContentID system. It'd also be nice if they made the inclusion of indie content in the ContentID system a bigger priority, so it's not just the majors and mega-indies that have access to monetization through Youtube.
That's the first comment on this article about how little an artist makes from streaming services. I think it highlights a disconnect between employed software nerds and unemployed music nerds, which is funny because they both make "digital goods" and the model that ate the indie musician could just as easily swallow the indie developer (see Apple's 30% cut).
If that guy with the poverty comment listens to any other music besides pushing the on button on his top 40 radio set, he can go to hell. Plus it's like totes ironic that he's like "if they don't like it they need to get real" when the whole point of the article is to be like "okay how can we get real"
As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they're getting exposure via Spotify/Rdio/iTunes means that they should have to pay or be compensated less for said exposure.
As a one-time teenage Objectivist, I'm so stoked about this time in our culture!!!
It would be fun to have a MST3K style viewing of the new Atlas Shrugged.
I'M WAY IN
I also want some tees printed up that say "one-time teenage Objectivist." Maybe with like some fake Urban Outfitters style factory applied grunge rips?
This thread is so good.
WHY I STOPPED PIRATING MUSIC
http://www.cultofmac.com/188297/why-i-stopped-pirating-music/
is good
and goes along with most of my earbud rants
basically:
buy a nice stereo and some records and stop passively collecting mp3s that you'll never pay attention to. or don't. whatever.
basically, people still think musicians and labels are rich assholes trying to steal their money
up next: pirated books for kindle/ipad will destroy whats left of publishing
hollywood collapses as pirated streams of movies become the new standard
"but aren't movies just promo for the live theater tours?
hey hollywood: sell some t-shirts at your shows! start a kickstarter!"
pretty much the reason i hate the world.
extra credit for reading indignant snarky comments from assholes of all colors!
people commenting on articles about music economy on the internet truly hate the music business
and this lady isn't really helping the cause with her "this is the future of music" and then just being an idiot with a millionaire husband and not paying people to play at her shows and inflating production costs of various things 500% like people aint gonna know
i like that owen pallet wades in for a few smacks.
This is why capitalism works. You buy the product after it's made.
I'm all for investing, but I want a return on the risk.
its a mindset change for a country so based on bootstraps product/profit/growth/success ideology
and ties, in my mind at least, into the systemic problems that have made that ideology so far from the reality of business here
i am strongly in favor of promoting a re-valuation of the arts and non-return-based exploration, with no need for an eventual profit based value
this lady making a milli then bungling it so completely, all in the public eye, it sets the promotion of the idea of giving to the arts with no need for great return back so much
i really love the idea of crowd funding
but i also really love the idea of creating a system of accountability, transparency and fiscal planning/education that is just not set into place within the popular crowdfunding offerings of our time
i predict this problem will grow, and either kickstarter will make adjustments or be usurped by the next dudes with good fonts colors and designs who make a snazzy funding thing where there is more realistism, more appreciation, more feelings of responsibility and connectivity between giver and receiver....
more emotional connectivity, trust on a foundational level
confidence
and more of a focus on the follow up and what people do with the money
so shit like this doesn't continue to happen and give everyone a bad taste in their mouth
No one bought your last record so you need money to fund your new one? Well, tough shit. I mean not really, I only feel that way some of the time, when it's music/somebody I don't like. But eventually one has to start living in REALITY. If you absolutely must make money from music and no one is interested something has to change, which seems so dumb and basic, but is often forgotten.
When I was an optimistic 18 year-old I remember reading a Tim Gane (Stereolab guy) interview where he said something like "The only thing that matters is that you make good music. If your music is good, you'll succeed." which sounded so harsh to me at the time. I just thought so many people in the world made good things which were under-appreciated.
And it's a total mess of stimulation out there. How are you supposed to hear the good stuff when the cars driving by are blasting that "FUN" song. How is the rest of the world supposed to compete with music that is basically a commercial for itself?
How can you be heard? Because if more people heard you, they'd be more likely to like you. Labels don't even seem to serve this purpose anymore. It seems like while in the past some folks were tempted to buy a certain label's entire catalog, it doesn't happen as much anymore. It's too much music.
A friend of mine did this cool thing: He made an amazing t-shirt. People are drawn to the shirt so much they want to buy it even if they don't know the band. But the only way to get the shirt is to get it with a download card of his music. Some of those people might not even download the music, but he sure is selling a lot of shirts.
when your mind plays tricks on you…don’t let it win- lady miss kier……
………www.ladykier.com
when I made Manfred Thierry Mugler a re-recording of “what is Love” renamed “How do you say ….Mugler”…..for his show in 1992 …I never knew their website would play it 20 years later for more than 5 years thru out the 2000’s,long after the originator left the building. When Dj Michael Magnum ( one of ny’s finest) informed me of this free long-term endorsement , i enquired about the possibility of sending me a garment in exchange….House of Mugler’s press monkey asked me if i wanted a bottle of perfume instead ! “no thanks….Manfred already gave me 3”. Manfred was always so generous when he worked there, at the co. he started,developed consistently, and made famous. It’s a shame they are not anymore . No wonder he changed his name to manfred after leaving! and “NO House of Mugler… i won’t Dj your fashion collection after-party event this sept. for a reduced rate! cheap ass - Lady Miss Kier
from : “The dirty business of dreams” by Kier Kirby
Waste a million bucks and you are jerk.
1. It's her money. As long as she provides the "rewards" people purchased then everyone can go fuck themselves. The deal was, give X and get Y. Any accountability or transparency or any of that shit is OPTIONAL.
2. Kickstarter isn't a store. You aren't buying a record. You are giving money to support the creation of the record, and as a reward you will be given a free copy. It's not a purchase. It's a donation.
3. You want to get your million? Well, get famous, be attractive, and ask. That's all it takes. Then you can burn it or waste it. It's your call.
My friend Chad has this theory: she is a terrible person, and once you understand that it explains all her behavior, and also her music.
A friend of a friend told a story about opening for her years ago, and she kicked the opening act out of THEIR dressing room, because she was wanting to have a massage, and the tour bus made her feel too cramped.
As much time as that awful woman spends shitting on other people's business models, I don't think she gets to complain when people turn it back on her.
Referring to musicians' unions as trolls? really?
http://amandapalmer.tumblr.com/post/31502310905/an-open-letter-in-response-to-amy-re-musicians#comment-650247325
This piece of writing where she defends crowdsourcing MUSICIANS for her tour really does prove that she's just an asshole. In most cities she asks people to come and play on stage with her for free- and details her feelings about sharing and caring, experience, the joy of music, etc etc etc. BUT, she does have certain cities where she hires musicians to play, for money! Because in NY, for example, she really doesn't want to take the risk. So, no community joy music sharing free times in the biggest, aka highest profile cities? Community joy hippie unpaid jams anywhere else she can get them? Riiiiiiiiiight.
It's awesome to pay everyone involved fairly, but that is beyond fair and fully in the realm of exorbitant.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/amandapalmer/amanda-palmer-the-new-record-art-book-and-tour/posts/232020
Had anyone heard of this lady before all of the crazy press? I hadn't, and I'm super confused by her popularity. She sounds ok I guess? Not my cup of tea, and not anything I've never heard before.