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Musicians Making a Living: What's Coming That Works?

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  • A giant monster!! Get it boys

    p.s. twin of Em sounds GREAT to me
  • I think it's high time that Jona and Jesse Ventura collaborate again.
  • I'm starting to do a series of little "explainer" web videos if there are any aspects of music policy that are confusing to people. Need ideas for topics!
  • 1. What is "Music Policy"?
  • That is actually a good idea!
  • I started writing it as a joke, then was like, "Wait.. I kind of don't really know..." :)
  • He he I was thinking the same. But I was too shy to say
  • a flat diminished
  • That's the key of shy?
  • edited December 2012
    Personally, I'm bullish on music. I say legalize it.
  • this will be fun. i think a lot of people don't know how many ways the gov impacts music from like, the FTC to the FCC to the CRB to the HUD to the NEA, to the LOC to the D of E.
  • Wait.. the key of D in E? Music theory is hard.
  • edited December 2012
    It would be cool to have a handy video primer on all the various licensing/revenue schemes and how to take advantage of them: Master Use, Synch License, Public Performance (Streaming, Broadcast, Theatrical...) Mechanicals... etc., how these schemes are handled differently in the US versus other major territories, the advantages of registering as both writer and publisher.
  • The D of E is the vii of I
  • edited December 2012
    Here's a sort of unrelated quote I just found by Heinrich Schenker, famed Ol' Grouch of a previous, thankfully largely bygone, era of structural musical analysis:

    “The masses, however, lack the soul of genius. They are not aware of background, they have no feeling for the future. Their lives are merely an eternally disordered foreground, a continuous present without connection, unwinding chaotically in empty, animal fashion. It is always the individual who creates and transmits connection and coherence.”

    He's talking about how Stravinsky doesn't evince grand dominant tonic cadences or whatever and is therefore despicable, but it sure is funny to imagine him writing this about kickstarter

    is kickstarter the masses or is it individuals? seems to elide that boundary

    i like to imagine that this quote is about the internet, even though he died like a billion years ago

  • edited December 2012
    Currently reading "Worlds of Sound" a history of the Folkways label. Did you know that "Indie music" was something that people talked about in the 1940s? It's true!

    Also, the unions organized boycotts of the major labels in 1943.

    It's just stunning how little the rhetoric has changed (same with the power dynamics)
  • edited December 2012
    That's an ugly darned quip from Schenker. Animal fashion, huh?

    I'm expecting all that feudal claptrap to come back in style in a big way this century. It's what you get when a few families own most of everything.
    At first it's like: Well, we worked hard (or at least grandpa did).
    After a couple generations it's like: Well, up here on our perch we can really see what is going on, it's best we lead.
    Eventually it's like: Why are we so dang rich? Well, obviously because of the natural laws of creation.
  • edited December 2012
    @Kdawg - I did not know that. That sounds like a good book. I wonder if John Foster was aware of that. (Inventor of the "Green Line" independent music policy at KAOS Olympia 1975). Possibly.
  • edited December 2012
    My youtube account is in bad standing due to an accusation of copyright infringement. P****fork presumably has a blanket protective clause over everything they post, including a video that I made. It was hit with their copyright claim (even though it was private/invite-only). I was allowed to respond by submitting a formal dispute, which is supposed to be reviewed next week.

    Kinda weird, kinda interesting, kinda annoying

    UPDATE they dropped all charges.... I won my rights!
  • The guide to music law policy is great. A visualization graphic to go with it would be cool.

    On another topic http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2012/12/the_orchestra_the_best_classical_music_ipad_app_from_esa_pekka_salonen.html. Video, score, commentary. I know orchestra pay can be quite good and symphonies are multi million annual corporations, but the idea could be used to teach many genres of music.
  • Wasn't that guy supposed to put out the Badger King Opera?
  • non musicians talking about the music business killed the music business
  • "A simple fact: just because someone is capable of making music does not mean she will have a successful career in the music business."

    "Musicians meanwhile need to consider what business they are in."

    Wise words.
  • god, kevin, how do you remember this stuff?????
  • edited January 2013
    That Macklemore song about thrift shopping went platinum last week. (1,000,000 in sales).
  • I really liked that band!
  • edited February 2013
    Macklemore song pushing Microsoft Outlook.
  • Microsoft's new ad campaign pegging Google as creepy & invasive is kind of amazing. Especially because the production values are so terrible, which somehow comes off as charming.
  • Yesterday the new Copyright Alert System launched. Will be interesting to see if it has any impact.
  • edited February 2013
    Just read a reddit thread that was linked by the very cool video artist JJ Stratford
    http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1969o6/more_than_400_vfx_artists_protest_at_the_oscars/c8l8eg8

    It's a discussion about how visual effects workers in the US are being driven out of the industry. From the workers point of view, it would take a union/individual firms agreeing to set prices. Or maybe something like extending the tax incentives that are given to film makers to produce in a particular locale back to the visual effects firms themselves.

    Different discussion, but related in that the FX industry speculates that the solution is that individual workers stand their ground and demand fair pay.
  • edited February 2013
    Alex, it's refreshing to see a tech blog basically get the story right, because EFF and everyone else are running around like chicken little.
  • How feasible is it for an industry to unionize in 2013? It would be super cool to see a VFX union emerge.
  • People who work with software tend to be too libertarian for unionization. I doubt we'll see that happen.
  • I bet movie people are different! Much more collaborative, their industry is older so they don't have the prevailing idea that they can just jump ship and move to a different employer if they don't like things.
  • edited February 2013
    Maybe 2013 will be the year i start my libertarian fashion blog.

    It is true that the disdain for traditional labor issues in certain tech circles runs deep. I do not get it.
  • edited February 2013
    It's because they are invested in the observation that the technology that defines their work is revolutionized/rendered obsolete every few months. There is no incentive for them to slow this process down, guaranteeing positions for people to do obsolete work, etc.

    A robust welfare state that guarantees life, health and protection for all inhabitants independent of market forces is a much more elegant and humane line of argument than the industrial union model.
  • i don't think you can contrast the two. every step we've taken towards a robust welfare state has been driven by the unions.
  • I see DrJ's point, though. If you didn't have union-based job security, you would get fired if you were being lazy, but if you had a robust welfare state, at least you wouldn't die. This would allow employers to hire and fire competitively and people could still see a doctor.
  • i think the prevalence of the notion that unions are about allowing lazy people not to get fired tells you a lot about the current ideological climate.
  • But I could argue a pragmatism back to you Kdawg, that after more than forty years of erosion, even if that trend were to be reversed, it will be a good long while before the Union movement has the power to flex on behalf of a more robust welfare state.


    In fact, there is no sign of that trend reversing, particularly under the current model of Democratic party leadership.
  • edited February 2013
    I'm reminded of the often reactionary quality of union politics by the fact that local unions and establishment Dems have decided to support Coal export terminals in the Northwest. They've decided that desertification of the planet is good for jobs or some such....
  • My view is colored by being close to where policy is cooked, but basically anything good happening in DC is because the unions are making it happen.

    Local unions fuck things up sometimes.
  • How Union funded is Bill McKibben?
  • edited February 2013
    not funded, but benefits from their support and organizational savvy. i think all the unions were lined up against keystone except LIUNA.
  • edited February 2013
    Bill and the SEIU have worked together battling the Chamber of Commerce on a number of things. I see their envoys at all the same events.
  • I was a member of a union that kept lazy people from getting fired, so I'm not talking from inexperience.
  • My union is the only thing standing in the way of completely privatized education.

    (Possible overstatement but still so glad we have a union.)
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