Comments on: On Thingpunk http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2013/05/07/on-thingpunk/ Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:26:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Anderson http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2013/05/07/on-thingpunk/#comment-35435 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:33:59 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=686#comment-35435 I’ve been reading Karl Popper’s The Open Society and Its Enemies and it raises great objections to modernism. But as someone who’s personally interested in mitigating the damage of modernism (mostly the sprawl / cars / community / health matrix) it’s something that can’t be fixed without big changes that are hard to imagine making outside of a modernist process.

So there’s a conflict between rejecting modernism for its effects (and blaming a lot of them on it’s process) and wondering if a post-futurist process can undo generations of oil subsidies and The Great Streetcar Conspiracy, or if one can only fight fire with fire.

A post futurist response to modernism looks like Depave but until we institute a Universal Basic Income they’ll never get enough volunteers to depave any significant % of roadway. Fighting fire with fire is difficult because to do that you either have to be the Koch brothers or be willing to get arrested.

So the question remains, for those of us who want to modify the physical environment to rollback the worst excesses of modernism, can we really do it using the old (modernist) process or do we need design to come up with new ways of envisioning what we can consider success?

Given that nothing can really be rolled back, I think the answer tends towards design giving us new successes to shoot for. But even the greatest hopes from design are deeply local.

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By: Four short links: 9 May 2013 | GenerateJob.com http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2013/05/07/on-thingpunk/#comment-16634 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 08:00:41 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=686#comment-16634 […] Thingpunk — The problem of the persistence of these traditional values is that they prevent us from addressing the most pressing design questions of the digital era: How can we create these forms of beauty and fulfill this promise of authenticity within the large and growing portions of our lives that are lived digitally? Or, conversely, can we learn to move past these older ideas of value, to embrace the transience and changeability offered by the digital as virtues in themselves? Thus far, instead of approaching these (extremely difficult) questions directly, traditional design thinking has lead us to avoid them by trying to make our digital things more like physical things (building in artificial scarcity, designing them skeumorphically, etc.) and by treating the digital as a supplemental add-on to primarily physical devices and experiences (the Internet of Things, digital fabrication). […]

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By: greg http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2013/05/07/on-thingpunk/#comment-15131 Thu, 09 May 2013 20:58:08 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=686#comment-15131 Thanks for the comment, Matthew.

As I mentioned in the piece I was paraphrasing Jacobs. She, of course, wasn’t talking about blogs, but about the sidewalks of lively neighborhoods. Here’s the full quote from The Death and Life of Great American Cities:

Under the seeming disorder of the old city, wherever the old city is working successfully, is a marvelous order for maintaining the safety of the streets and the freedom of the city. It is a complex order. Its essence is intricacy of sidewalk use, bringing with it a constant succession of eyes. This order is all composed of movement and change, and although it is life, not art, we may fancifully call it the art form of the city and liken it to the dance — not to a simple-minded precision dance with everyone kicking up at the same time, twirling in unison and bowing off en masse, but to an intricate ballet in which the individual dancers and ensembles all have distinctive parts which miraculously reinforce each other and compose an orderly whole. The ballet of the good city sidewalk never repeats itself from place to place, and in any once place is always replete with new improvisations.

In regards to Brutalism, I think the whole flaw comes in thinking that what’s most important about architecture (or any particular historical movement in it) is its style rather than the social relations it creates amongst its users. In many cases, Brutalist architects cared more about formal stylistic issues (such as honesty towards material like concrete) than about the lives their projects would create for the people who live and work in them. And the same goes, only more so, for what I’m calling Tumblr Modernism: people who fall in love with the style through pictures of the buildings rather than lives lived in and around them.

In many ways that’s a good summary of Thingpunk in general: obsessing about how digital technologies alter the style of our built environment rather than how they transform our social relations.

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By: Mathew Sanders http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2013/05/07/on-thingpunk/#comment-15125 Thu, 09 May 2013 18:07:19 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=686#comment-15125 I think we share pretty different views around the philosophy of brutalism… my understanding is that it was a reaction to Victorian architecture (facades etc) and instead trying to demonstrate the authenticity in terms of the building materials and process.

Admittedly, a lot of brutalist examples are pretty awful, but I think the blame is better directed to individual architects than the style itself.

Anyway, I’d love to know the source of the Jane Jacobs comment on blogs, I’ve never read anything that mentions her thoughts on that and I’d be really curious to know more 🙂

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