Comments on: All Watched Over: On FOO, Cybernetics, and Big Data http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/ Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:26:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: #ifIhadglass I’d probably crash the aeroplane | The Yorkshire Ranter http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-18880 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:23:42 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-18880 […] Why? Forget the sterile row between Malcolm Gladwell and whoever. Concentrate on the person at the left, taking a photo on their iPhone. Fortunately, they probably don’t have Google Now, so it won’t have told them to go back to work. One point that kept getting made in this thread wasn’t about Korean culture, or even crew-resource management, but rather about the kind of future they’re selling for all of us. Let’s recap this quote: […]

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By: Big Data and Cyberwarfare on the Agenda at the Bilderberg Meeting | Illuminati Conspiracy Archive Blog http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-16245 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:01:11 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-16245 […] These developments are directly tied into the modern discipline of cybernetics and systems theory. Tech experts are quite aware of its historical trajectory and implications. Here’s an excerpt from a 2011 post titled All Watched Over: On FOO, Cybernetics, and Big Data: […]

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By: A short homage to the ThinkPad keyboard | The Yorkshire Ranter http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-14989 Sun, 05 May 2013 20:54:03 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-14989 […] maybe we could get the interface down to an iPhone app that would superimpose a bright white line over the camera’s view of the surrounding street just telling us where to walk and what to do and buy all day long. Wouldn’t that be a bit of a relief? […]

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By: Alex http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-14873 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:23:48 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-14873 maybe we could get the interface down to an iPhone app that would superimpose a bright white line over the camera’s view of the surrounding street just telling us where to walk and what to do and buy all day long. Wouldn’t that be a bit of a relief?

You mean joining the Children of the Magenta Line?

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By: Barbara Saunders http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-11105 Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:39:37 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-11105 “All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace” is a poem by Richard Brautigan. It presents a vaguely dystopian prospect: the realization of the machine world where humans return to “a state of nature” – just one kind of mammal – while machines “watch over.”

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By: Dr William Hayward http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-627 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:41:58 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-627 Nice conversational flow, history and insight. It’s easy to say AI has never realized its promises. Will we know if large data has the same (semi)fail?

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By: Christian Perry http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-626 Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:42:25 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-626 Thanks for this insightful and enjoyable post, Greg.

Across many fields, and particularly in technology, data is often synonymous with quantifiable data. If it fits in a spreadsheet, it’s data. If it’s indexible on Google, it’s data. If it’s a Tweet that raises (or lowers) my Klout score, it’s data.

You eloquently point out the irony of data-related discourse in Silicon Valley: the very same people who wax poetic about cybernetics, Hadoop, and “… for America” inhabit an industry and culture that thrives upon nuanced personal relationships, off-the-record conversations, and subtle indicators of status and style that find only marginal correlation with measurable, web-based indicators.

It would seem that there is a place for both measurable and unmeasurable data. Perhaps the trend of this decade will be the degree to which they begin to interoperate — say, as Twitter conversations, FourSquare check-ins, and various implementations of Augmented Reality.

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By: jkd http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-625 Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:08:42 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-625 Agreed entirely. And something that I think is both shocking and disappointing (but for predictable reasons) is the biggest missed opportunity in contemporary tech practice and research. Basically – the systems as currently constructed enable fairly easy collection of Big Data, but actually figuring out context (i.e., human meaning in actions) is hard. And expensive. So mostly, it’s not happening, and behavioral perceptual data relating to the human side of technology use is simply lost in the churn of interface change and the passage of time. But it’s easy to be lazy and just collect click-data, so that’s what happens. Looking back ten or twenty years from now, I think we’ll be kicking ourselves over all the data we didn’t collect, and questions we weren’t asking.

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By: Craig Hunt http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-624 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:56:47 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-624 Brautigan lives!

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By: Peter Bennett http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/2011/06/20/all-watched-over-on-foo-cybernetics-and-big-data/#comment-623 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:18:23 +0000 http://urbanhonking.com/ideasfordozens/?p=465#comment-623 Hi,

Great article 🙂

It strikes me that there is an interesting balance between the process of incremental improvements in what we know and the attempt to jump to a different perspective to get a new insight.

The big data systems at present appear to me to be rather better at the former than the latter – i.e. they use past and present personal and peer performance to make proposals and projections (way too many ps)

Where they are poorer appears to be in bringing in the jumps in perspective, the dislocations and lateral thinking insights. Perhaps they overly encourage confirmation bias.

So the question I would have asked had I been at Foo Camp would have been “Are there ways that big data can help people make those leaps and encounter some of the ‘unknown unknowns'”

My hunch is that the answer might come down to whether you believe in free will or rigid determinism – i.e. the “is there anything more to the world than axioms and logical inference”….

Anyway… thanks for a really interesting article.

Peter

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